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posted by [personal profile] orichalcum at 09:42am on 19/02/2008 under
In 2000, my father-in-law said something that I thought was very smart. He pointed out that perhaps the most important duty of a President was to hire lots of other people to help run the government, and that, therefore, we should judge candidates significantly based on who they chose to help run their campaign and, especially, who their V-P nominee was.

Now, I've been an Obama supporter for about 1.5 years, so I'm biased and admit that. But I'm starting to lose more and more of my respect for Clinton, not because I think she's personally incompetent or malicious - quite the opposite - but because her staff seems alternately clueless and corrupt. They ran through $140 million dollars before February 5th because they didn't envision the campaign lasting any longer, and deliberately lied to the candidate about their lack of funds until things were so desperate that she needed to loan the campaign her personal funds. She doesn't have a full slate of delegates in PA (largely irrelevant for practical purposes, but indicates lack of preparation.) Apparently, they just realized that the Texas system makes it difficult for either candidate to win an overwhelming victory - something the Obama campaign has been briefing precinct captains on for a month.

It's a little startling that there are only two campaigns left- Obama and Paul's- who haven't gone bankrupt and needed to get personal loans at some point in this campaign. Given that the economy is going to be a central issue in the next administration, I like taking that into account.


But today was really the final straw. The Clinton campaign has leaked its plan to start going after pledged delegates to get them to change their votes. Not superdelegates, who have the perfect right to change their minds 80 times between now and the convention. The delegates who we ordinary folks voted for. It is, indeed, technically accurate that pledged delegates are not required, even on the first ballot, to vote for the candidate who their district chose. But it makes a mockery of the entire primary system if they do not honor that commitment to we the people. It's anti-democratic, and the sort of tactics I can't believe we might see in the Democratic party. Why not just waterboard them until they agree to vote for Clinton?
EDIT: The Clinton campaign (as well as the Obama campaign) are now denying any such move, so it may have been a false rumor, although a very odd one if so, and the reporter has been reasonably reliable in the past. Still, it's fair to point out the denial; this may simply be a lot of hot air.

I no longer trust Senator Clinton to be a just and competent President - although I will still vote for her over McCain if necessary. This makes me sad.
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posted by [identity profile] emilymorgan.livejournal.com at 03:51pm on 19/02/2008
Ack! Did the Clinton staff really lie to her about funds? I hadn't heard that.
 
posted by [identity profile] redhound.livejournal.com at 04:28pm on 19/02/2008
From what I've read, "insulated her from that information" is perhaps the most accurate description.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 04:43pm on 19/02/2008
You're right (I list sources below.) There's no evidence they said "Oh, Senator, we've got bucketloads of cash, don't worry." But otoh, the people in whom she placed tremendous trust responded to financial problems by hoping they would just go away and kept important info from her. As a consequence, Clinton and her husband have each been doing a fundraiser a day this week in places like L.A. and NY, which can't be directly helping the ground efforts in Ohio and TX.
 
posted by [identity profile] meepodeekin.livejournal.com at 04:13pm on 19/02/2008
It's stories like that which are why I think Clinton can't win against McCain. Accurate or not, he's perceived as completely honest and trustworthy, a rep that only Obama can possibly counter.

I also find her campaign tactics despicable. I can't believe she would risk destroying Democratic party unity in a year when we finally almost have it, just for her slim chance of victory.
 
posted by [identity profile] julianyap.livejournal.com at 04:26pm on 19/02/2008
I don't know. I mean, it is somewhat anti-democratic, but then again, so are caucuses. And keeping Florida out. (Though not Michigan). It's entirely within the rules for pledged delegates to change their minds, and this has been a tactic used by other Democratic candidates in the past (most recently Jesse Jackson, I believe). One could argue that allowing the pledged delegates to change their vote after the first ballot also violates their commitment to we the people, but you don't hear many complaints about that.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that if, say, Obama was leading Clinton by about 100-200 pledged delegates going in to the Convention, but that the super delegates looked like it would fall in such a way that there was going to be a deadlock, or that Clinton would eke out a win, I think it would be totally reasonable for Obama to try to get some pledged delegates to change their vote.

Now as a matter of course, the campaign can switch out or select its pledged delegates whenever it wants to up to the convention (one of the many reasons I think that judging the Clinton campaign on not having a full slate of PA delegates is somewhat unfair), so this is highly unlikely to work.

In the end, party rules are sort of crazy and undemocratic to begin with, I think that the correct way to judge people is on whether they follow the rules. As an analogy I would certainly hope that either of the Democratic candidates would support a filibuster to stop a truly terrible law from coming into effect, and I still blame the Democratic leadership for not filibustering Alito. That's highly undemocratic too, but neither unjust nor, I think, undesirable at times.

Also, where did you hear that the campaign staff lied to Clinton about the funds? And I'm also not certain that having to dip into private funds has any bearing on how a President will deal with the economy. I mean, Kerry had to dip into private monies and I think he would have done a damn sight better than Bush.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 04:41pm on 19/02/2008
So,first of all, it's yet another instance of trying to change the rules as they go along; everyone's been operating with the understanding that the pledged delegates will keep their word, just like they operated believing that MI and FL wouldn't count.

My two sources for the financial mismanagement and, as redhound says, "insulation of the candidate" are
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/learning_some_more_details_sin.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/us/politics/21donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Yeah, but frankly,Kerry ran a bad campaign and dipped into funds at a point when no one was willing to give him money - not Clinton's case. I'm not saying it's a fatal flaw; I'm saying that I'm more impressed with candidates who stick to budgets.
 
posted by [identity profile] julianyap.livejournal.com at 04:50pm on 19/02/2008
I don't think it's the same at all. They aren't changing the rules. The rules say pretty clearly that pledged delegates can vote for anyone. People have tried to use this tactic before in close-ish conventions. From what I've heard, people on both campaigns have been talking about this fact since Super-Tuesday. Thus I'm not certain how everyone wasn't on notice that this totally legal strategy was in play.

That is sort of frightening about the insulation about the lack of funds thing. Perhaps this is why Patti Solis Doyle was ousted.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 05:06pm on 19/02/2008
OK, but they're playing really fast and loose with the spirit if not the letter.

Yes, I suspect this is why Doyle was ousted. But choosing staff based principally on personal loyalty and discretion -well, that got us Brownie and Katrina.

In a campaign where none of the candidates have exec experience, judging them by how well their staff is managed seems pretty legit.
 
posted by [identity profile] pseudosilence.livejournal.com at 05:08pm on 19/02/2008
Actually, the Clinton campaign is adamantly denying that it will try to change pledged delegates. See http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/clinton_spokesperson_we_will_n.php

Comment speculation at Ezra Klein is that the report simply wasn't reliable to begin with.

I don't know anything about the finance situation, but I wanted to clear up the delegate rumor.

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