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posted by [personal profile] orichalcum at 08:55pm on 01/10/2005
The non-spoiler version - Joss is better at TV shows.



    So, there were a bunch of bits I liked about Serenity, beyond my general fondness for the characters and show - Inara's trick with the incense, the initial heist, some of the River moments. And I feel proud that I cracked the entire plot wide open the second they said that Miranda was a planet, about half of the way through the movie. My mind went, "Miranda -> Tempest -> Caliban -> Reavers ==The Alliance created the Reavers and that's the big secret, Alliance as Prospero." (I've been trying to find a connection to the planet Ariel, but haven't yet except that it's an Alliance planet.)

    But [livejournal.com profile] fajitas was right to warn that much of the characterization was very different from Firefly, and the changes were almost entirely negative for me. Kaylee seemed like a different girl - all the love of engineering and sweet sunshinyness was replaced by Simon-mooning all day long. Some of the reviews I read were surprised to discover that Zoe and Wash were married - one of the most interesting and fundamental dynamics on the show, and I agree with [livejournal.com profile] hca that Wash's pointless death also ruins Zoe as a character. You also missed most of Wash's quirkiness, the Shepherd's ambiguities (not that he got much time before he died, anyhow), and Jayne's beloved gun. And Mal - well, I like a shinier, more humorous Mal who's more altruistic.

    I also found it very violent - the Reavers are just so brutal. At least the Amerindian metaphor is basically gone, though. And I liked a much more ambivalent Alliance. Just how many people are hunting River Tam down now? We've got the Blue-Hand guys, who want her back in training, presumably, the Parliament, which was worried about what she happened to randomly know, and some random bounty hunters, minimum.

    It was great to see some old friends again. But they've clearly grown up and we've grown apart, and I wound up having that feeling you do at some reunions, where you are still interested in the person and in what's become of them but kinda wish that they hadn't gone in that direction.

    And it's pretty much impossible to see how you could get back to a TV series from here.

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posted by [identity profile] julianyap.livejournal.com at 04:52pm on 02/10/2005
So I quite liked it, I thought it was solidly put together, and very powerful in certain scenes. It does make me mostly wish that the series was still running, as I thinkt his woudl have been great television and from what I hear, the movie is essentially what would have played out over one of the later, major arcs of the show. Just with less space battles.

To the violence point: While this is the first time that the Reavers showed up on screen we have had descriptions again and again of how violent they are, and honestly, I did not find them any worse than the Uruk-hai or the orcs from LOTR.

While I'm still agnostic on Wash's death, I'm also not sure how Wash's death ruins Zoe as a character. I felt like Zoe was a full character to begin with and I think Wash dying merely changes her, not necedssarily for the better, but certainly not ruins. If the series was still running, I would be honestly very curious to see how they dealt with the aftermath. Zoe and Wash's marriage was one of the most real relationships ont he show: a good marriage, though not without its stresses and bumps, as you say, one of the most fundamental and dynamic. Part of every marriage is dealing, eventually, witht he loss of a spouse and I would have been very curious to see Joss dealing with the grief of losing a husband, both from a character development standpoint - We know that Zoe was cold and closed before meeting Wash, would she go back - as well as a dramatic standpoint of the potrayal of grief. Joss dealt, reasonably well, with the loss of a parent in Buffy, I'd like to have seen how he dealt witht he loss of a spouse. Sadly, this probably does not translate well to film.

I suspect that ultimately, as Jer says, the movie dealt with too many masters: if this was a TV show I have no doubt that the elements would have played out eventually, including Wash's death. If he was assured of a sequel I'm equally sure that he woudln't of killed Wash. Given that Joss presumably had to assume that this would be the last movie, it had to be constructed as a finale for the show, which is, I suspect, what edxplains the body count. Ironically, I suspect that without Wash's death, peopel would be super psyched about the show and be watching it multiple times without prompting, so I thinkt hat killign Wash may have seriously hurt his long term box office and thus the chance for a second movie, thoguh we shall see.

As to the rest, sad to have so little Book, but probably necessary, it's hard to keep an ensemble nature in a movie and Book was the correct character, I think, to have his role cut down. I didn't think Kaylee had changed over much, though I did notice that the actress had lost weight. I agree that the movie overall was darker than the show and lost some many of the western aspects that I loved, but there you go.

 
posted by [identity profile] redhound.livejournal.com at 10:45pm on 02/10/2005
Two thoughts on Zoe and Wash. First, I think part of the dynamism of cool-as-cucumbers characters like Zoe is the mystery of how deep their reserves of self-possession go. And, well, having seen how she reacts to the death of the love of her life, it's hard to see how much room for exploration there is left on that axis.

Second, an anecdote that I think says something about the movie. I saw the Serenity preview without having watched _Firefly_ at all. Our cast members in attendance were Alan Tudyk and Gina Torres. It honestly did not occur to me until weeks later that there was any particular reason they would have sent them together. (This may be in part that Alan Tudyk isn't much like Wash in real life, but still.)

On a separate note, I thought movie-Kaylee was totally awesome. She was my favorite character. TV-Kaylee is a bit more Willow in Space, which isn't bad, but isn't especially exciting, either.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 02:19am on 03/10/2005
I agree and like your point about the lack of relative reaction - I just wanted some sort of emotion ex post facto, after the battle, and so forth. Or maybe a reaction from Kaylee...

Re movie-Kaylee: What made her different from Willow in Space was that she was a gifted mechanic, someone who had Scotty-ish aspects to her. I felt like movie-Kaylee was much more focused on Simon, rather than on herself, the ship, and the rest of the crew. And as Ladybird says, Simon Tam Action Hero didn't seem convincing.

And as for seeing Joss deal with the loss of a spouse - well, Buffy's mom's death was for me the worst and least satisfying thing of all seven seasons of Buffy (though admittedly it hit at precisely the wrong time for me personally) - and again, we've seen these characters deal with loss so often. Killing off Jayne's mom and sister, now, that might have been interesting.

 
posted by [identity profile] apintrix.livejournal.com at 03:54am on 03/10/2005
I know it didn't get played up much, but Original Willow was a computer geek. Still tech, even if not with gears and oil.
 
posted by [identity profile] gee-tar.livejournal.com at 02:34pm on 03/10/2005
Wait. Jayne has a sister? Did I miss that?
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 03:04pm on 03/10/2005
So, in the episode with the hat - which was an incredible bit - I believe Jayne talks about both his mom and his sister. I could be wrong.
 
posted by [identity profile] gee-tar.livejournal.com at 03:33pm on 03/10/2005
Proving that I definitely have to re-watch that episode :)
 
posted by [identity profile] holmes-iv.livejournal.com at 04:09pm on 03/10/2005
Clearly, both of you must (if you haven't already) see the pictures from the BDG expedition on Saturday. I shall e-mail a link, since it is most definitely Not For Posting On the Intarwebs (nothing to see here, SBC, move along...).
 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 07:41pm on 03/10/2005
I want a link!

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