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posted by [personal profile] orichalcum at 08:14pm on 05/04/2008 under
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Yay! BSG's back,
The theme: Who do you believe?
I still hate Cally.



So, one of the notable changes in the opening montage is the absence of "And they have a plan." And indeed, my biggest worry about the overall arc plot currently is that the Cylons' "plan," if any, is starting to resemble Luke's from Return of the Jedi.

So...you, the humanoid Cylons, are going to split up into two groups 60 years ago, and program one group not to ever think about the others. During the middle of the first Cylon War, despite the fact that you have humanoid Cylon technology, you'll still fight only with Centurions, and essentially lose, but meanwhile have planted humanoid Cylon sleeper agents, just in case.

When the Second Cylon War begins, you'll arrange for at least 8 different models to be on the ships that happen to get rescued or survive, despite having planned a complete takeover, and with 3 of those models presumably being unaware of an imminent attack. Another sleeper model will have scheduled high-altitude training for his Pyramid team so that he can escape and wait for an unlikely rescue to infiltrate himself with surviving humans.

Your Plan is....To convert humans to the worship of God? In which case, Gaius Baltar seems a dubious instrument. To find Earth and destroy it? So why blow Kara's cover by giving her a shiny new ship? To make as many human-Cylon babies as possible? Why not spend the year on New Caprica forcibly impregnating every woman of childbearing years you can find?

You see my point. Maybe Ron Moore will eventually reveal how this all makes sense. But I'm increasingly skeptical.

I actually quite liked the episode, especially the first 38 minutes or so. Kara so wants to be Daddy's Good Girl bringing him a big prize, and instead people practically spit at her. Even at her most alcoholic, Starbuck was always a focus of envy and a role model of sorts; now, she's somehow the enemy. I understand Roslin's perspective, but I wish they'd give her some of her humanity back - especially if she's moved in with Bill now.

Lee and Anders were both awesome; I think this odd dynamic could actually work.

Still don't get why Tory's a Cylon; adding her as a significant character and virtually eliminating several others annoyed me, although the Four are in general great fun. No way they're going to keep their secret, though, if they keep shooting each other Meaningful Glances and having whispered conversations on the hangar deck all the time. At best, people will totally think that Anders and the Chief are having an affair, and then both Cally and probably Gaeta will throw tantrums. (Still the best line from last season, btw, was Baltar's: "This man tried to stab me in the throat! And he missed! Butterfingers!")

Anyways, it being the beginning of the final season, I'll throw out a few predictions and random thoughts:

Kara as Cassandra works very nicely, especially since mythologically Cassandra only stops being believed after she rejects Apollo's romantic advances.

I think that the Final Cylon is Zak Adama. It fits a lot of things - Leoben telling the truth when he said "Adama is a Cylon;" Lee beginning this season by asking "what if Zak came back to us as a Cylon?", the last Cylon having made connections to Kara Harbinger of Destiny as well as to the Adamas, and even the "Z"ness of his name. Zak's been haunting this series from the beginning, and I think that his reappearance would tie everything together very nicely.

So, are either of the married Four going to tell their spouses? Kara's already told poor Sam what her reaction would be; I can't imagine it going over well with "Shoot first; ask questions later" Cally. Still, that's tough. And hey, can Nicholas be milked for cancer-vaccine this time around?

I wonder if there's interesting significance to the names (I suspect not, because I suspect Moore is pulling a lot of stuff out of his arse these days, but still). Galen Tyrol. the Cylon named after a famous doctor, is...a machine doctor, a mechanic. Saul, Sam, and Victoria are all monarchs, and Saul and Samuel are Biblical monarchs (and somewhat complex ones.)

What did other folks think? Am I as crazy as Baltar, but lacking the hot harem who want to do my every bidding and the divine healing mojo?
Music:: BSG credits
location: Home
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posted by [identity profile] ladybird97.livejournal.com at 02:08am on 06/04/2008
Hee hee. I literally just got finished watching it too. You hate Cally even when she isn't even in the episode? :)

I think Zak Adama would make a fascinating Final One. My current Loony Theory That I Don't Really Believe is that the last Cylon is the President. Who of course is not going to get killed despite the cliffhanger, because she never dies despite the cliffhangers. Which is good because if she ever did die, I would be seriously unhappy.

It would make a lot of sense for the Final One to be Gaeta, actually. Maybe if it was him, he'd get more screen time?

And I agree with you about Roslin coming across a little too harsh in this one. Her traditional role is the voice of compassion and faith, and she wasn't doing that at all in this one.

Alas, this came out more rambly than I had intended. Oh well :) It was still a good episode, and I'm very happy to see BSG back!
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 02:39am on 06/04/2008
Yes she was, she was totally nagging at the Chief and failing to recognize that her husband was going through massive emotional crisis.

But mostly it was due to watching the end of Season 3 right before the premiere, I'll admit.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladybird97.livejournal.com at 12:15pm on 06/04/2008
*blinkblink* Did I miss that scene? Or did it only appear on the iTunes version? Because I swear I didn't see any Cally. I could have accidentally fast-forwarded it if it was near a commercial...but seriously, I didn't see her.

I watched Razor right before the premiere, which is why that stuff about the First Cylon War (see below) was in my head during the show...
 
posted by [identity profile] cerebralpaladin.livejournal.com at 02:36pm on 06/04/2008
It was all of 10 seconds, on the hanger deck. Frankly, I thought that it made Cally seem better, because it showed her being responsible and getting things done, and she had every reason to be annoyed about having to do both her job and (effectively) the Chief's because he was late to his station and then standing around moping.
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posted by [identity profile] woodwindy.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 07/04/2008
...wow. Somehow I didn't see that either. Weird.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:11pm on 06/04/2008
Actually, Roslin has almost always been the draconian hardliner, while Adama has been the voice of compassion. I'll grant the faith bit, but Roslin is the one most willing to curtail liberties, throw people out airlocks, steal elections, and commit genocide using biological weapons.

Adama, on the other hand, puts Cylons in uniform, gives the Presidency to Baltar, and then acquits him for all his misdoing.

I think it's one of the hallmarks of the brilliance of the series that people tend to forget this.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 05:46pm on 06/04/2008
I feel like Roslin is a hardliner when it comes to policy but a softie when it comes to individuals - helping out Billy with his failed romance, caring about how folks are doing emotionally, and so forth. So here I guess we have a conflict between Madame "Throw 'em out the airlock" President and Laura the kindergarten teacher. In contrast (and I agree that this works wonderfully), Adama is softish on policy but often quite nasty to friends and loved ones.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:12pm on 06/04/2008
(previous response posted by Fajitas on a loaner computer)
 
posted by [identity profile] ladybird97.livejournal.com at 05:26pm on 06/04/2008
Aha - that's who the anonymous person was :)

As I said below, my viewing of the premiere was colored by having watched Razor directly before, and Razor ends with Adama talking about what a good moderating force Roslin has been for him. I guess I've been carried away by that viewpoint - I've always felt that every time Roslin does one of those things, it was a huge betrayal...
 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 02:12am on 06/04/2008
I think your prediction about Zak could totally be right.

Re: Cylons have a plan - I think the Cylons HAD a plan, and it is currently falling to pieces. Their plan was actually a pretty decent and coherent one: blow all the humans up! Have some sleeper agents (the three who aren't part of the final five) to a) prepare the way for the bombing and b.) help find and mop up any remnants. Unfortunately now it's all falling apart because they didn't wrap up fast enough and unintended consequences are spinning out.

It starts to look very messy if you have to shoehorn in the final five as part of the plan. But I don't think they are. My guess is that the Cylons split over how to resolve the human problem. Seven of them wanted to destroy the humans, and five of them thought it was (at a guess) best to just infiltrate the population and live among them as humans. The five were a minority, so the destruction plan won - but Cylons being the crazy religious idealists they tend to be, the five still decided to go ahead with their own plan. To keep each faction from interfering with the other (and possibly because the five wanted it that way), the five's memories of ever having been Cylon were wiped, and the seven were programmed not to think about the five.

I think Kara's ship is from an entirely different source - maybe god, or some Earthly power like god - probably the same power that caused the music that woke up the four of the five that we've seen so far. It may or may not have something to do with Baltar and Baltar's Six.

Re: Names - There are multiple Sauls out there in religious-land, and I think in this case the relevant reference may be "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" Of course the biggest Cylon-hater has to turn out to be a Cylon himself.** But I got nothing on the other ones, except to say that we may have gotten Tory because they wanted to tone down the "what a coincidence, all the final five happen to be main characters!" factor.

**Hah, I had totally forgotten the part where Saul/Paul is struck blind and then has the scales fall from his eyes. I'm now totally convinced of my reading, and I fully expect Tigh's sight to be restored at some point.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 02:39am on 06/04/2008
Wow, you're totally right on Saul/Paul.

Still, they "had" a plan is much weaker than they "have" a plan. :)

I just don't quite get how the Cylons infiltrated Tigh into the Fleet 40 years ago...
 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 02:45am on 06/04/2008
Well, like I say, I don't think the five were part of the battle plan. The exposition in the miniseries apparently says there was a Cylon uprising, a big 12-year war, and then the Cylons went off and no one heard from them for 40 years. So it's perfectly possible in a timeline sense, if the split I posit happened fairly early on.
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 02:56am on 06/04/2008
See, I'm not sure that the "plan" is the battle/destruction of humanity as opposed to a sort of Wild Hunt "driving humanity forth by chasing them," presumably to Earth.

The Paul Thing is really cool, though.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladybird97.livejournal.com at 12:13pm on 06/04/2008
I had been expecting Tigh to have stumbled into some Cylon experiments during the first war, and gotten Cylonified that way :)

And the Saul/Paul thing is working more and more for me the more I think about it...
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:05pm on 06/04/2008
Let us keep in mind also that the Cylon's plan has clearly changed during the course of the series. It is abundantly clear that the influence of Caprica 6 and Boomer, as heroes of the Cylon, convinced the Cylons to evacuate Caprica (and presumably the other colonial worlds) and try to live in peace with humans.

The phrase "And they have a plan" should in no way be taken to mean that everything that has happened over the course of the series has been according to the Cylon plan.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:06pm on 06/04/2008
(The above was posted by Fajitas, who forgot to log in 'cause he's on a loaner computer at the moment...)
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 05:48pm on 06/04/2008
Well, no, but I don't even know what the plan is except that I think it has to be more than "blow up the 12 colonies," because then it would be "had" a plan from the beginning.

What the frak is the current plan, for instance?
 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 09:29pm on 06/04/2008
I think throughout the first season the plan was "complete the destruction of the human race plan by seeing the mopping-up phase through" - more or less an extension of the original plan, and clearly one that was at least to some extent within the original plan's bounds since they had sleeper agents all ready to go. Then for a while the plan was modified as suggested by Fajitas above - "become benevolent overlords to the remnants of the human race." Now, I'm not sure they have a plan because they're clearly factioning and are thus in argument over what the plan should be. Hence, I presume, the disappearance of "they have a plan" from the credits.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 08:13pm on 08/04/2008
The current plan was clearly stated by one of the Lucy Lawless models (I think during the Eye of Jupiter episodes): To find Earth and make it the Cylon's new home.

Whether or not that has changed in the wake of the season premiere and the presumptive realization that the Final Five are abroad in the world, or changed midway through Season 3 when they decided that the Lucy Lawlesses (Lucy Lawli?) were crazy and needed to be boxed remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure that we didn't see the Cylons at all between the boxing of Lucy Lawless and their appearance in the Nebula at the end of last season. We certainly haven't been on a Basestar since then.

-Fajitas, who would really like his computer back now, please
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 10:09pm on 08/04/2008
Ah, okay, right; I was thinking of that as Three's plan, and she's nuts even for a Cylon. But I think you're right.

Can't help with your computer, I'm afraid...
 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 02:53am on 06/04/2008
BTW, the most random thing popped up on Tigh's Wikipedia bio: it says the character was originally called "Paul Tigh," but was "renamed after a clerical error."
 
posted by [identity profile] marginaleye.livejournal.com at 04:28am on 06/04/2008
Saul and Samuel are Biblical monarchs

Um... Wasn't Samuel a king-making prophet, not a monarch himself? If memory serves, Saul tried to convince the Israelites to scrap the whole concept of earthly human kingship, before very reluctantly agreeing to anoint Saul for the job.
 
posted by [identity profile] cerebralpaladin.livejournal.com at 02:46pm on 06/04/2008
According to the text, Samuel served as a prophet and leader (including a military leader) prior to annointing Saul. So while he wasn't an actual monarch, he was in a sense a ruler. But I'm more convinced by contrariety's New Testament Saul anyway.

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