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orichalcum at 08:14pm on 05/04/2008 under bsg
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Non-spoilery haiku:
Yay! BSG's back,
The theme: Who do you believe?
I still hate Cally.
So, one of the notable changes in the opening montage is the absence of "And they have a plan." And indeed, my biggest worry about the overall arc plot currently is that the Cylons' "plan," if any, is starting to resemble Luke's from Return of the Jedi.
So...you, the humanoid Cylons, are going to split up into two groups 60 years ago, and program one group not to ever think about the others. During the middle of the first Cylon War, despite the fact that you have humanoid Cylon technology, you'll still fight only with Centurions, and essentially lose, but meanwhile have planted humanoid Cylon sleeper agents, just in case.
When the Second Cylon War begins, you'll arrange for at least 8 different models to be on the ships that happen to get rescued or survive, despite having planned a complete takeover, and with 3 of those models presumably being unaware of an imminent attack. Another sleeper model will have scheduled high-altitude training for his Pyramid team so that he can escape and wait for an unlikely rescue to infiltrate himself with surviving humans.
Your Plan is....To convert humans to the worship of God? In which case, Gaius Baltar seems a dubious instrument. To find Earth and destroy it? So why blow Kara's cover by giving her a shiny new ship? To make as many human-Cylon babies as possible? Why not spend the year on New Caprica forcibly impregnating every woman of childbearing years you can find?
You see my point. Maybe Ron Moore will eventually reveal how this all makes sense. But I'm increasingly skeptical.
I actually quite liked the episode, especially the first 38 minutes or so. Kara so wants to be Daddy's Good Girl bringing him a big prize, and instead people practically spit at her. Even at her most alcoholic, Starbuck was always a focus of envy and a role model of sorts; now, she's somehow the enemy. I understand Roslin's perspective, but I wish they'd give her some of her humanity back - especially if she's moved in with Bill now.
Lee and Anders were both awesome; I think this odd dynamic could actually work.
Still don't get why Tory's a Cylon; adding her as a significant character and virtually eliminating several others annoyed me, although the Four are in general great fun. No way they're going to keep their secret, though, if they keep shooting each other Meaningful Glances and having whispered conversations on the hangar deck all the time. At best, people will totally think that Anders and the Chief are having an affair, and then both Cally and probably Gaeta will throw tantrums. (Still the best line from last season, btw, was Baltar's: "This man tried to stab me in the throat! And he missed! Butterfingers!")
Anyways, it being the beginning of the final season, I'll throw out a few predictions and random thoughts:
Kara as Cassandra works very nicely, especially since mythologically Cassandra only stops being believed after she rejects Apollo's romantic advances.
I think that the Final Cylon is Zak Adama. It fits a lot of things - Leoben telling the truth when he said "Adama is a Cylon;" Lee beginning this season by asking "what if Zak came back to us as a Cylon?", the last Cylon having made connections to Kara Harbinger of Destiny as well as to the Adamas, and even the "Z"ness of his name. Zak's been haunting this series from the beginning, and I think that his reappearance would tie everything together very nicely.
So, are either of the married Four going to tell their spouses? Kara's already told poor Sam what her reaction would be; I can't imagine it going over well with "Shoot first; ask questions later" Cally. Still, that's tough. And hey, can Nicholas be milked for cancer-vaccine this time around?
I wonder if there's interesting significance to the names (I suspect not, because I suspect Moore is pulling a lot of stuff out of his arse these days, but still). Galen Tyrol. the Cylon named after a famous doctor, is...a machine doctor, a mechanic. Saul, Sam, and Victoria are all monarchs, and Saul and Samuel are Biblical monarchs (and somewhat complex ones.)
What did other folks think? Am I as crazy as Baltar, but lacking the hot harem who want to do my every bidding and the divine healing mojo?
Yay! BSG's back,
The theme: Who do you believe?
I still hate Cally.
So, one of the notable changes in the opening montage is the absence of "And they have a plan." And indeed, my biggest worry about the overall arc plot currently is that the Cylons' "plan," if any, is starting to resemble Luke's from Return of the Jedi.
So...you, the humanoid Cylons, are going to split up into two groups 60 years ago, and program one group not to ever think about the others. During the middle of the first Cylon War, despite the fact that you have humanoid Cylon technology, you'll still fight only with Centurions, and essentially lose, but meanwhile have planted humanoid Cylon sleeper agents, just in case.
When the Second Cylon War begins, you'll arrange for at least 8 different models to be on the ships that happen to get rescued or survive, despite having planned a complete takeover, and with 3 of those models presumably being unaware of an imminent attack. Another sleeper model will have scheduled high-altitude training for his Pyramid team so that he can escape and wait for an unlikely rescue to infiltrate himself with surviving humans.
Your Plan is....To convert humans to the worship of God? In which case, Gaius Baltar seems a dubious instrument. To find Earth and destroy it? So why blow Kara's cover by giving her a shiny new ship? To make as many human-Cylon babies as possible? Why not spend the year on New Caprica forcibly impregnating every woman of childbearing years you can find?
You see my point. Maybe Ron Moore will eventually reveal how this all makes sense. But I'm increasingly skeptical.
I actually quite liked the episode, especially the first 38 minutes or so. Kara so wants to be Daddy's Good Girl bringing him a big prize, and instead people practically spit at her. Even at her most alcoholic, Starbuck was always a focus of envy and a role model of sorts; now, she's somehow the enemy. I understand Roslin's perspective, but I wish they'd give her some of her humanity back - especially if she's moved in with Bill now.
Lee and Anders were both awesome; I think this odd dynamic could actually work.
Still don't get why Tory's a Cylon; adding her as a significant character and virtually eliminating several others annoyed me, although the Four are in general great fun. No way they're going to keep their secret, though, if they keep shooting each other Meaningful Glances and having whispered conversations on the hangar deck all the time. At best, people will totally think that Anders and the Chief are having an affair, and then both Cally and probably Gaeta will throw tantrums. (Still the best line from last season, btw, was Baltar's: "This man tried to stab me in the throat! And he missed! Butterfingers!")
Anyways, it being the beginning of the final season, I'll throw out a few predictions and random thoughts:
Kara as Cassandra works very nicely, especially since mythologically Cassandra only stops being believed after she rejects Apollo's romantic advances.
I think that the Final Cylon is Zak Adama. It fits a lot of things - Leoben telling the truth when he said "Adama is a Cylon;" Lee beginning this season by asking "what if Zak came back to us as a Cylon?", the last Cylon having made connections to Kara Harbinger of Destiny as well as to the Adamas, and even the "Z"ness of his name. Zak's been haunting this series from the beginning, and I think that his reappearance would tie everything together very nicely.
So, are either of the married Four going to tell their spouses? Kara's already told poor Sam what her reaction would be; I can't imagine it going over well with "Shoot first; ask questions later" Cally. Still, that's tough. And hey, can Nicholas be milked for cancer-vaccine this time around?
I wonder if there's interesting significance to the names (I suspect not, because I suspect Moore is pulling a lot of stuff out of his arse these days, but still). Galen Tyrol. the Cylon named after a famous doctor, is...a machine doctor, a mechanic. Saul, Sam, and Victoria are all monarchs, and Saul and Samuel are Biblical monarchs (and somewhat complex ones.)
What did other folks think? Am I as crazy as Baltar, but lacking the hot harem who want to do my every bidding and the divine healing mojo?
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I think Zak Adama would make a fascinating Final One. My current Loony Theory That I Don't Really Believe is that the last Cylon is the President. Who of course is not going to get killed despite the cliffhanger, because she never dies despite the cliffhangers. Which is good because if she ever did die, I would be seriously unhappy.
It would make a lot of sense for the Final One to be Gaeta, actually. Maybe if it was him, he'd get more screen time?
And I agree with you about Roslin coming across a little too harsh in this one. Her traditional role is the voice of compassion and faith, and she wasn't doing that at all in this one.
Alas, this came out more rambly than I had intended. Oh well :) It was still a good episode, and I'm very happy to see BSG back!
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But mostly it was due to watching the end of Season 3 right before the premiere, I'll admit.
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I watched Razor right before the premiere, which is why that stuff about the First Cylon War (see below) was in my head during the show...
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Adama, on the other hand, puts Cylons in uniform, gives the Presidency to Baltar, and then acquits him for all his misdoing.
I think it's one of the hallmarks of the brilliance of the series that people tend to forget this.
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As I said below, my viewing of the premiere was colored by having watched Razor directly before, and Razor ends with Adama talking about what a good moderating force Roslin has been for him. I guess I've been carried away by that viewpoint - I've always felt that every time Roslin does one of those things, it was a huge betrayal...
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Re: Cylons have a plan - I think the Cylons HAD a plan, and it is currently falling to pieces. Their plan was actually a pretty decent and coherent one: blow all the humans up! Have some sleeper agents (the three who aren't part of the final five) to a) prepare the way for the bombing and b.) help find and mop up any remnants. Unfortunately now it's all falling apart because they didn't wrap up fast enough and unintended consequences are spinning out.
It starts to look very messy if you have to shoehorn in the final five as part of the plan. But I don't think they are. My guess is that the Cylons split over how to resolve the human problem. Seven of them wanted to destroy the humans, and five of them thought it was (at a guess) best to just infiltrate the population and live among them as humans. The five were a minority, so the destruction plan won - but Cylons being the crazy religious idealists they tend to be, the five still decided to go ahead with their own plan. To keep each faction from interfering with the other (and possibly because the five wanted it that way), the five's memories of ever having been Cylon were wiped, and the seven were programmed not to think about the five.
I think Kara's ship is from an entirely different source - maybe god, or some Earthly power like god - probably the same power that caused the music that woke up the four of the five that we've seen so far. It may or may not have something to do with Baltar and Baltar's Six.
Re: Names - There are multiple Sauls out there in religious-land, and I think in this case the relevant reference may be "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" Of course the biggest Cylon-hater has to turn out to be a Cylon himself.** But I got nothing on the other ones, except to say that we may have gotten Tory because they wanted to tone down the "what a coincidence, all the final five happen to be main characters!" factor.
**Hah, I had totally forgotten the part where Saul/Paul is struck blind and then has the scales fall from his eyes. I'm now totally convinced of my reading, and I fully expect Tigh's sight to be restored at some point.
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Still, they "had" a plan is much weaker than they "have" a plan. :)
I just don't quite get how the Cylons infiltrated Tigh into the Fleet 40 years ago...
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The Paul Thing is really cool, though.
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And the Saul/Paul thing is working more and more for me the more I think about it...
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The phrase "And they have a plan" should in no way be taken to mean that everything that has happened over the course of the series has been according to the Cylon plan.
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What the frak is the current plan, for instance?
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Whether or not that has changed in the wake of the season premiere and the presumptive realization that the Final Five are abroad in the world, or changed midway through Season 3 when they decided that the Lucy Lawlesses (Lucy Lawli?) were crazy and needed to be boxed remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure that we didn't see the Cylons at all between the boxing of Lucy Lawless and their appearance in the Nebula at the end of last season. We certainly haven't been on a Basestar since then.
-Fajitas, who would really like his computer back now, please
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Can't help with your computer, I'm afraid...
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Biblical quibbling
Um... Wasn't Samuel a king-making prophet, not a monarch himself? If memory serves, Saul tried to convince the Israelites to scrap the whole concept of earthly human kingship, before very reluctantly agreeing to anoint Saul for the job.
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