orichalcum: (feminism)
orichalcum ([personal profile] orichalcum) wrote2008-09-03 12:36 pm

The swinging pendulum: Should we really be glorifying Miss Palin?

My college, as well as many others, had a policy of not reporting or allowing the newspapers to extensively cover student suicides. In part, of course, this was meant to save its reputation; no one wants to send their kids to a place where undergrads are regularly killing themselves. But there was another, and more legitimate reason. Many very depressed, lonely, insecure people who are contemplating suicide very much want attention and affirmation. If a suicide victim is made into a tragic martyr, other vulnerable people may see their act as a success rather than a failure - they got publicity and group mourning and lots of attention.

I'm not criticizing Bristol Palin or her fiance's decision to keep and raise their child. That's their business. But in defense of her mother's candidacy, it appears that the Republican National Convention delegates are cheering her on and celebrating her and her choices. The boy in question will appear with the Palin family on stage tonight, having been flown out by the campaign. She's being held up as a role model for keeping her baby.

Frankly, this worries me - just as the coverage of Jamie Lynn Spears did and to some extent the movie "Juno" - because we should not in any way be glorifying teen pregnancy in this country. Yes, these girls - and I do mean girls - are making difficult choices now that they have been faced with a very hard situation. But it's not a good thing that they're pregnant in the first place! If these girls had been more responsible (one way or another) in the first place, they wouldn't be having to deal with the consequences of abortion, adoption, or becoming a mother while still a teenager themselves.

Figuring out how to treat teen mothers is difficult. I don't like the other traditional extreme of kicking them out on the streets or shutting them up in nunneries, obviously. I don't want public shaming, just a lack of positive coverage. I really worry about the lonely 15-year-old girl with a boyfriend who refuses to wear condoms, who reads about the Palins in People Magazine next week and thinks, "wow, see, everyone loves and supports her for having a kid! And her really cute hockey star boyfriend is going to marry her now, and they'll live happily ever after! Maybe my life would be better if I got pregnant too!"

Because, for most girls, it simply won't. And the RNC delegates and the media are acting extremely irreponsibily and unthoughtfully if they make her into a teen heroine.

[identity profile] meepodeekin.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I wholly agree with this. Unfortunately, it is in line with how the media has been presenting teen pregnancy for a while including the examples you cited. Also, bringing the dad-to-be to the convention=creepy. I'm beginning to prefer the "pack your daughter off to a quiet country house in north england with a maid and a chaperone" plan. :)

[identity profile] eilonwey.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. I agree. We don't need to stick scarlet letters on teen mothers, but I don't think throwing a big (public, national) party for them is the right idea, either. Not if we don't want to encourage teen pregnancy.

Mind you, I thought "Juno" was a very good movie. And my grandmother had my Dad when she was younger than Bristol. (I'm glad she did, or I wouldn't exist.) But that doesn't mean that I think that having a baby when you're a child yourself is a great idea.

[identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I really liked "Juno" too. But one of the things I liked best about it was Alison Janney's character, who made it very clear that while, yes, she loved and supported her stepdaughter, she also thought she'd acted very foolishly and disappointed the family. There was no joy in that household over the announcement - and pretty much no question of keeping the baby.

It's not that being a young mother can't work out, for both parent and child. But in almost any case it's going to be a lot harder than being a parent at a point when you've gotten to adulthood (and financial security) yourself.

[identity profile] denyse.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
ditto my gramma and my dad. Mind you, she was shipped out from her village to be married to a guy she didn't know at that age- then continued on to have 16 children (14 of whom made it to adulthood) so I don't think this is necessarily a model we want to encourage in this modern day and age.
Also, my grandpa was polygamous, and she was wife #2 out of 3.

[identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. How many kids did your grandpa have total? (I love the picture of O, btw.

And I suspect your gramma would have been just fine with waiting to begin her family until 20 or so, if she'd had the option. :)

[identity profile] denyse.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure she would have been happy to wait.
Er. I'm not sure how many kids total. I lose track. I'm sure it's in the 20 something range.
Heck, they even adopted one or two. As if it wasn't crowded enough.

My other gramma only had 6. But she was wife #1 of 2 (also polygamous) but the total is a measly 8.

[identity profile] denyse.livejournal.com 2008-09-08 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
impressively, on both sides, my grandparents sent just about everyone to university. on my mum's side, they all went. On my dad's side of his siblings...I think 14 went, including sending more than half of them overseas to the US.

Chinese prioritize education so much, it's not even funny.

[identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com 2008-09-09 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
There are a lot worse things to prioritize. :)

Back in college, when the cheerleaders yelled "Defense!", the Band would retort, "Education! Social Spending! Health Care!"

[identity profile] marginaleye.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Breed! Breed for Jesus! Win the Culture War through biology! Psalm 127:3-5! (and it's pretty obvious who the "enemies in the gate" are, these days).

I would point out that among the notorious belligerent Aztecs, the glorious entourage of the Sun consisted of warriors who died in battle and upon the sacrificial stone, and mothers who died in childbirth.

[identity profile] karakara98.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're right. Maybe it's all part of our society trying to figure out how to fit families into our worlds though. The divorce rate, the instability of families, the debate over gay marriage all indicate to me that's we're in a time of huge change in regards to our attitude towards marriage and family and work. We're still figuring it out, and while celebration of teen pregnancy may not be the answer, I'm not sure that I was completely perfectly served by the emphasis on "having it all" that we were raised with.

Interesting times!

[identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I think there are lots of problems, as we've discussed, with the way our society deals with women's reproductive life cycles. But heck, the _Romans_ thought it wasn't a good idea for women to have babies until 18 or 19 - and that people weren't financially competent until 25. If there's that much consistency, perhaps the answer is that societies have good reasons to discourage teen pregnancy, in any period.