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posted by [personal profile] orichalcum at 01:54pm on 20/04/2005
Imagine that you're an undergrad, not necessarily a classics major, but someone who is interested in taking a wide variety of courses. (Please feel free to forward this post to actual undergrads.)

Which of these course descriptions sounds interesting and exciting to you, particularly if you had to choose between one of the two Roman literature ones, and which doesn't, and why?


      This course explores the foundation of modern assumptions about gender roles and sexuality through a study of the cultures of ancient Greece, Rome, and the Near East. Through looking at a variety of different types of text and media, including epics, tragedy, philosophy, history, art, papyri, and graffiti, we will trace the evolution of ancient social values and their relationship to modern ideals. We will focus on the ways in which ancient women negotiated thier lives in  highly patriarchal societies. Texts will include Hippocratic medical writings, the poems of Sappho and Sulpicia, Plato's Symposium, Aeschylus' Oresteia, and Ovid's erotic poetry, as well as modern criticism.



            This course focuses on the literary reaction to the autocracy and prescriptive value structures enforced by the early Emperors of the Roman Empire, especially Augustus. We will begin by briefly examining the officially approved texts of Vergil and Horace and the ways in which such texts undermine their explicit messages of praise and submission, before turning to actual subversive texts such as Ovid's Ars Amatoria, the poem he was exiled to the Black Sea for writing, Seneca's "Pumpkinification of the Emperor Claudius," Petronius' Satyricon, Tacitus' Agricola, and the humorous critiques of Juvenal and Martial, as well as some early Christian works. We will discuss together how censorship functioned in the ancient Roman world, how literature became an outlet for the stifled political ambitions of Roman Senators, and in what ways this social criticism shaped or reinforced the structures of Roman society.




        In the years from 80 - 40 BC, the city of Rome was blessed or cursed not only with a spectacular array of talented leaders and generals, such as Julius Caesar and Pompey the Great, but also with many brilliant authors and poets who chronicled the chaos and confusion of civil war and the breakdown of an enduring political system. This course focuses on the works of authors like Cicero, Caesar himself, Sallust, and Catullus, both in their more formal speeches and chronicles and in a close study of Cicero's exhaustive and illuminating correspondence with the great men and women of his day. Through the lens of literature, we will come to understand the interrelationships and social and political developments which marked this period and the causes of its final evolution.




        Since the beginning of the cinematic industry in the early 20th century, films glorifying ancient Roman spectacle or retelling Greek myths have been a popular and enduring genre of cinema. In the past few years, we have seen a major resurgence in films and television series about the ancient world with works like Gladiator and Troy. This course seeks to explore the reasons behind the popularity of this setting and the changing ways in which ancient Rome and Greece were represented and used as metaphors for contemporary issues over the last hundred years. We will combine a close examination of a variety of major modern works, including Spartacus, Ben Hur, I Claudius, Monty Python's The Life of Brian, and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum, with the ancient texts that inspired or influenced them, such as Tacitus, Livy, Plautus, and the Gospels. We will also study modern criticism of these films and the ways in which they inspired scenes in later science fiction and fantasy movies. 
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posted by [identity profile] jendaviswilson.livejournal.com at 06:47pm on 20/04/2005
What was it that Michael used to say was the perfect elective title? Something like "Sex, drugs, and TV".

So #1 is sure to be popular with the feminist and gay crowd, and those that think you might get into what kinky things they did back then.

#2 lost me at "literary reaction to the autocracy and prescriptive value structures". A student scanning a blue book isn't going to try to parse that sentence. However it sounds like the most interesting course if you figure out the wording.

#3 is easy to understand, but sounds like a rather general course of Great Roman Writings. If I was trying to pick between them #2 sounds like a better course, but if I was skimming looking for an elective based on descriptions #3 would catch my eye first.

#4 is also going to be popular. "We get to watch Gladiator and Monty Python for credit? Awesome!" You can bet this would be the elective I'd pick.
 
posted by [identity profile] gee-tar.livejournal.com at 06:56pm on 20/04/2005
Heh. I'm amused we practically had the same reaction to #4.
 
posted by [identity profile] gee-tar.livejournal.com at 06:53pm on 20/04/2005
Well, this is me, a very non-classics person speaking, but between the first two, I'm much more inclined to take a course about humor than contemplating gender issues. The second of the literature courses looks like it's about studying "The Daily Show" of the Roman era. That just seems more fun, and I'm all about my education being fun.

Speaking of which, the last course also looks cool. Watching movies for credit? Yay! But this is the slacker undergrad in me talking.

Don't know if this helps, but that's my opinion.
 
posted by [identity profile] holmes-iv.livejournal.com at 07:33pm on 20/04/2005

Working just from the titles, #1 goes directly to the "please ignore me" centers of my brain (too high a buzzword bingo score), as does #4 (though for different reasons), while #2 and #3 would almost certainly have gotten me to read the descriptions and course-meeting times, back when I read such things.


Assuming I had actually read all the descriptions, I would probably consider shopping #2, #1 and #3, in that order, since politics and snark both have great personal appeal to me, and #3 sounds (as [livejournal.com profile] jendavis77 says) more like a general survey Lit course, which I wouldn't necessarily have gone for. But when I was shopping #1 I would take a careful look at who else was taking it and see how much latent hostility toward the male of the species I was going to have to field during the semester.


All of this assumes that I don't know the professor, of course—both #1 and #4 raise alerts for me partially because in the wrong hands they could attract a crowd of students I just didn't feel like dealing with.

 
posted by [identity profile] contrariety.livejournal.com at 07:53pm on 20/04/2005
Congratulations on teh new job!

Hmm, I agree with most of what's been said:

#1 Ack, feminist theory alert! I dislike feminist theory as such; I think you'll get a crowd that does like off it and turn off the majority that doesn't. This is perhaps unfair, because I bet this class *taught by you* would be really interesting. Maybe try to rewrite it so as not to use the phrase "gender and sexuality" (this will likely make you go "argh", but there you are; it's not your fault perfectly good descriptive phrases have been co-opted by annoying people)?

#2 I like this! Bet you'd get the Democrat polisci crowd shopping for lit/history electives. Smart and interesting. Although Jen may be right about some of the phrasing--I can hack it, but your average public school freshman, maybe not. I'd say, keep the phrase (to show you're serious), but put it at the end where it doesn't make people stop reading before they know what the course is about.

#3 What Jen said. Feels like a first-year survey course, which I'm guessing is what it *is*--and that's fine for an intro course, you know?

#4 Does undeniably have that "too fun to be serious" flavor. Appealing; I'd be genuinely drawn to it as an elective that would be easy to engage with and a class I'd probably enjoy. Might worry that it was too much of a cream-puff if I were considering majoring.

As written, 2, 4, 1, 3 (but three would be higher if I were looking for basic intro classics courses.)
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 09:03pm on 20/04/2005
(I'm about to post something separate on feminism, but let me address the course issue here.)

#1: So, in fact, they originally wanted me to call it "Women in Antiquity," and I have argued against that, because I think courses are much more interesting when they're dealing with the gender identifications of both men and women and that sexuality is inextricably intertwined with that. I mean, I could call it "Wives, Whores, and Man-On-Boy Love" or something sexy like that, but frankly I do sort of want students who will engage with the matter seriously, and the course _has_ a bunch of feminist theory involved (and queer theory.) Also, this is one of the major courses that they'll be evaluating me on at Northwestern when I apply for the permanent job, and I'd rather not seem like a total cream puff prof.

#2: Have changed first sentence to "This course focuses on the literary reaction to authoritarian rule and the emphasis on officially mandated "family values" in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE, particularly during the Augustan Age.
I hope this is better.

#3: Yeah, it's totally a survey course, but that's cuz that's something the dept really doesn't have. I just want it to sound like an interesting course, which I may need to work more on.


#4: Movies are a serious academic discipline, people! :) But seriously, one of the points of a course like that is to lure people into classics. That's why I also emphasize the original texts. OTOH, because I don't want to frighten my colleagues, I'm not mentioning that we'll also be watching at least clips from Xena: Warrior Princess. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] xlagartixax.livejournal.com at 10:48pm on 20/04/2005
I mean, I could call it "Wives, Whores, and Man-On-Boy Love" or something sexy like that

That reminds me of one of my favorite college professors. Bill Nericcio taught "Modern American Fiction," an upper division general ed requirement I was sure would be horribly dry. The first day of class, he announced that he was hereby renaming the course "The Seductive Hallucination," since they wouldn't let him print it in the catalog.

That won over most of the class immediately.

For the record, I'd say that the first and the last would pique my interest over the others.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladybird97.livejournal.com at 08:33pm on 20/04/2005
#1 - I'd like to put in a dissenting voice to say that #1 sounds fine. It is a course gender and sexuality, and I don't think you should bill it as anything other than that. Yeah, there will be some people who are turned off by those words as a matter of course, and there will be some people who will check it out because they want to talk about sex - but hey, you've taught a similar course before, so you'll be prepared for that. And I don't think there's anything you can do in the course description to change that. As someone who actively sought out those kinds of classes in college, I think that I would have been very interested in yours - I like the way you emphasize the different kinds of sources that you use. Yay for the interdisciplinary approach!

#2 - Very interesting! I agree that the wording of the first line should be changed, but the course itself sounds fascinating, and really creative. (And you mentioned the Pumpkinification. Hee :)

#3 - Even if it does cover a lot of the Big Names, I like the way you view them from a specifically political angle. And again, the description really emphasizes the interdisciplinary nature of the course, which is always a good thing in my book.

#4 - This one is going to be a lot of fun! I do agree that a lot of students will be coming to it looking for a gut, but that's going to be true of any course that involves pop culture.

If I had to choose between 2 and 3, I think I'd choose 2, because it sounds like it gets more deeply into the social and cultural aspects of Roman life, while 3 sounds more strictly political. But they all sound wonderful! Good luck!
 
posted by [identity profile] aquafolius.livejournal.com at 09:14pm on 20/04/2005
As a CCIV undergrad, I can't help but think I could provide some input also.

#1:I missed a class that studied Roman dress and interaction in a similar fashion. It seemed like it would be an awesome course, and any course in which a variety of mediums are presented automatically gets +2 on my list of courses I want to take. Gender and sexuality, while buzzwords here at Wesleyan, are strong themes and a class which explores those themes in a Classical context would be interesting to take part in.
#2 Ah, literature in the Roman world, something I wish I had more time to study in depth, and with a course like this, it seems like I could in some detail. The Ars Amatoria is a wonderful read, and a class which could make it function well, specifically within that context would be very interesting.
#3 I saw Cicero and almost screamed. All of the other authors are mostly wonderful reads, and I know not everyone is as turned off by Cicero as I am. Thematically, #2 sounds like a far more comprehensive course, that would draw in a wider range of ideas, while this class would feel like a lecture course with less room for discussion.
#4 The trouble with film related classes is that you are going to draw a lot of film people, and with a Classics topic, a lot of classics and classical studies people. I have classes currently with that overlap, and sometimes it feels as though I am getting more out of a situation with so many crossovers, and sometimes, I feel like the class is much too large and I get ignored on things that I would like to explore further. It's an intriguing idea and sure to draw the widest audience.

Hope that helped.
 
posted by [identity profile] wildpaletz.livejournal.com at 02:10am on 21/04/2005
When my dad teaches his seminar titled "Politics and the Libido," I think it is very popular. You could always call your course "Life and the Libido in Ancient Rome" or something ;)

Speaking of feminist theory, totally check out Toril Moi! She rocks my world! Ok, she's also my stepmother, but she's an incredibly brilliant AND clear feminist writer, and has chapters/articles called things like "What is a woman?" that might be relevant to your course. Just sayin'.

By the way, what this made me think more than anything was, wow, I've never been particularly interested in Roman stuff, but now I want to take one of your courses!
 
posted by [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com at 02:23am on 21/04/2005
I'll definitely check her out. And hey, if you're ever in Chicago, you can totally audit. I don't want to refer to the libido because I prefer to avoid Freud, but I'll think about the title some more.
 
posted by [identity profile] wildpaletz.livejournal.com at 02:51am on 21/04/2005
Yeah, I'm not Freudian either. Not sure if my dad is. Toril is, but it doesn't always show up in her writing, and she tends to subvert it in nice ways when she does. (Liberal use of the word "phallus" for example.) But I think "What is a woman?" doesn't necessarily cover those topics.

She's fantastic, btw, so definitely check her out.

Yes about Chicago :)
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posted by [identity profile] woodwindy.livejournal.com at 06:00pm on 21/04/2005
Another #1 & #4 combo vote here. ;) I happen to be interested in feminist and gender issues, so buzzword turnoff isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.

With the lit classes, I would almost certainly pick 2 over 3, but that's mostly because I'm just not that enthralled by classical politics/militaria (I know, heresy -- sorry!). I agree that your redo on the first sentence is an improvement.
 
posted by [identity profile] lisa-bee.livejournal.com at 02:58am on 22/04/2005
I would want to take all of them. But of the two lit classes, the "Speaking Truth to Power" one is the one I would take: it looks like a more detailed reading of the works, and also a topic in which I am extremely interested.

My second choice, had I to choose, would be the film course. It looks like it would be tremendously fun, and a great way of looking at changing norms and expectations as reflected through the director's lens.

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